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From: Blue Chip
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 3:06am
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Re: 30 Second Conversational Trance Induction
At 00:36 11/01/03 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Richard
>
> > Pace and lead, is stunningly covert, which makes it ideal to
>practice.
>
>Yes Its one om my favourite methods, but like anything needs
>practice if you go in heavy handed someone may notice
>
>But if u use it in a gentle conversational way i find it very
>effective
>
> >Derren said something, in at the dog races I think, when he was
> >trying to get the other guy to do the trick, "Try and really
> >believe it".
>
> > To me this matches with something BC said, about following state
>into trance. People follow on an emotional level. What do you think?
>
>BC and I cover this in our last post!
>
>Without putting words into his mouth, he has a similar view to me on
>this!
>
>I'm sure he'll add his view on it when he reads this;)
Yes, I think we are certainly in agreement on this fundamental :P
The debate we had was whether to PRETEND or actually DO IT, although each
has it (dis)advantages, there is little doubt as to the upshot - people
will follow.
The main difference between PaceAndLead and HSI is that PAL (isn't that a
friendly TLA) creates a pattern gradually and then gently leads the person
into state <x>; whereas HSI (ab)uses the existence of a known-pre-existing
pattern (the complex sequence of actions known to us simply as "a hand
shake") and jumps straight in for the prompt move to state <x>
One is quick and effective... when well-executed. Potentially offensive if
poorly-executed or <this> person is immune to the method.
The other is (comparatively) slow but equally as effective. But it has the
advantage of being relatively fool-proof. You can practice and learn it
without risking offending people. And when it doesn't work - it is less
likely* that the person will end up offended.
* No matter what - you will offend someone at some point in your life -
even with all the best intentions in the world. hee-hee-> Ever bought your
girlfriend the WRONG present??
>For myself I totally believe / know this to be true!
>
>Its about how deep you go into state.
>
>I'll try and post something more on this next week, depending on
>work!!
>
>I believe its fundamental to really effective trance to pace
>someones state and then lead.
Yes, this idea is common to both HSI and PAL.
HSI is the teleporter to success - just make sure you don't teleport into a
wall! lol
PAL is a car, the journey is longer and you may run into some traffic jams
en route. But if you persevere you will get there; and if you see a brick
wall coming, TURN LEFT! {that's their left, of course, but don't let that
influence you} and drive around it.
Each have their applications, choose wisely.
>Anyway off to bed glad you like the approach!!
>
>Mark
| Replies | Author | Yahoo! ID | Date | Size |
| 2321: Re: 30 Second Conversational Trance Induction | june | hypnotherapist69 | Sat 11/01/2003 | 5 KB |
| 2322: Re: 30 Second Conversational Trance Induction | Blue Chip | cs_bluechip | Sat 11/01/2003 | 6 KB |
| 2323: Re: 30 Second Conversational Trance Induction | june | hypnotherapist69 | Sat 11/01/2003 | 6 KB |
| 2324: Re: 30 Second Conversational Trance Induction | june | hypnotherapist69 | Sat 11/01/2003 | 7 KB |
