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From: Blue Chip
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 4:24pm
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Re: Suggestion/Autosuggestion
At 07:59 09/01/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Far be it for me to underestimate the value of
>suggestions.
LOL ;-)
> Merely stating that this is a leverage
>technique. Even bending the knees makes no odds, as
>the effort is still expended in the correct direction,
>whereas pushing on the elbows sends it somewhere else.
I had not thought about the elbows - I will definitely try this - you will
move a bunch of force to the less powerful triceps for a start.
But I absolutely assure you that when you learn Judo (or Jujitsu or several
other arts) you are taught from a very early stage, how to counter a whole
bunch of lifts/throws by simply bending your knees - the 'major shoulder
throw' is the best example of this.
I noticed that the girl is wearing baggy trousers too. So it's difficult
to confirm - but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>Not everything he does is suggestion, you know. In the
>same way the the 'photo reading' effect isn't photo
>reading.
ohhh - that's a claim and a half - any insights to support it?
>That's not to say that photo reading isn't
>possible, (again, who am i...), but that wasn't how it
>was done.
DB has clearly listened to the Photoreading course, and if you do also, you
will see why I say that. But let me say that I think you're most likely
RIGHT - ie. DB is bluffing it (incredibly well, but bluffing it
nonetheless.) Photoreading is truly incredible when you get it to work,
but it's all frame-of-mind and it can be tricky to achieve, certainly when
you start anyway. There are apparently far easier ways to achieve this
effect without developing advanced mental skills.
>--- Blue Chip wrote:
>
><HR>
>
> >But the boxing lift isn't anything to do with hypnosis
> >is it? Its just simple physics.
>
>Don't underestimate the power of suggestion.
>
>If you have just asked yourself "why? what do you (think you) know?" or
>something similar, then re-read the previous line again. Is it a
>suggestion that you have just gone along with, or is it a blatant
>instruction that you have just obeyed? And more scary, is there a
>difference? And how many times a day can you catch yourself doing just
>this kind of thing to others? Trust me, YOU DO!
>
>However, in this case, simply bending your knees is far more efficient
>(effort vs. result).
>
>On the other hand, I have seen experienced martial artists, who can achieve
>this and similar effects with quite awe inspiring results - something that
>goes way beyond bending your knees.
| Replies | Author | Yahoo! ID | Date | Size |
| 2276: Re: Suggestion/Autosuggestion | killerb_0187 | killerb_0187 | Thu 09/01/2003 | 4 KB |
| 2280: Re: Suggestion/Autosuggestion | Rob Dobson | northerncomfortuk | Thu 09/01/2003 | 6 KB |
| 2287: Re: Suggestion/Autosuggestion | Harry Cannon | cannon8alluk | Thu 09/01/2003 | 7 KB |
| 2345: Re: Suggestion/Autosuggestion | killerb_0187 | killerb_0187 | Sun 12/01/2003 | 3 KB |
| 2351: Re: Suggestion/Autosuggestion | Rob Dobson | northerncomfortuk | Sun 12/01/2003 | 3 KB |
